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Writes 'Slashdot has already covered the of Cherry MX mechanical key switches: red, black, blue, and brown. Now, there's a that emulates the feel of the buckling spring switches in old-school IBM Model M keyboards. The green switches combine tactile feedback, an audible click, and a stiff spring that requires 80g of actuation force.

They're a stiffer version of the MX blues that more closely matches the characteristics of IBM's buckling spring design. Previously reserved for use with space bars, the green switches have now taken over an entire Cooler Master keyboard. And, unlike the old Model M and contemporary copycats, the new CM Storm Trigger has modern conveniences like an integrated USB hub, LED backlighting, and programmable macros.' I've had my hopes raised and then dashed by some other keyboards whose makers promised Model M feel, so I'll believe it when I feel and hear it. You want low activation force on an ergonomic keyboard. Hence rubber dome, low force cherry switches, scissor switches, that sort of thing. High force click switches are bad for ergonomic because of how hard you have to punch the keys.

They may be 'geek cool' but ergonomic they are not. If you want a mechanical ergonomic keyboard look at Kinesis or TrulyErgo. Personally I like Kinesis' Freestyle 2, though it is not mechanical switches. They are all low force switches though, since that is what is good for erg. Low force may be good for ergonomics - basically coddling a damaged wrist - but it's terrible for healthy people actually trying to type well.

Modern squishy keyboards create terrible typists. The worst are laptop keyboards (for instance, first thing I do with my macbook pro when I set it up for use is plug a Matias tactile pro 3 into it.) Apple makes the absolute worst keyboards out there, nightmares from the chiclet age. If you write for a living, as I do, you need a decent keyboard, and by that, I do not mean an 'ergonomic' one.

If your wrists are that bad, I'm sorry for you, but you'll never be a really effective typist. With squish comes missed keys, double presses, constant backing up for errors and overall low typing speeds.

If one is a 'hunt and pecker', who mostly lives by the mouse (as many are) that's fine, but if you write all day, every day. It's just not. As Wikipedia likes to say citation needed. I can full well understand wanting a good keyboard, but I'd need some actual evidence that high activation force means good. Cherry switches can do a nice mechanical action with a positive bump AND low activation force.

Also you may want to be a little careful. Perhaps your body is structured such that no form of RSI will ever affect you, but probably not. Most people have a threshold where repetitive motion in an unergonomic form will cause a problem at some point.

If you spend all your time typing and do so on a straight, high force, clickey keyboard, well you may discover that you no longer have that option later in life. You'll get some pain and numbness, then it'll get worse, then you'll start to lose range of motion and so on and it'll get worse, and worse until you either deal with it, or you are disabled. Ergonomics aren't about 'coddling', as though if you just toughened up and dealt wit it things would get better, they are about preventing problems. You ignore proper ergonomics at your own risk. I'd suggest you pick up Dr.

Emil Pascarelli's book 'Repetitive Strain Injury' and educate yourself on it if you do indeed type 'all day, every day' as you say. It is good information, and has several pages of references to journal articles on the subject. My concern with good keyboards, desks, chairs, etc is not if I can be an 'effective' typist by whatever artificial standard you've set in your head. It is if I can continue to use computers regularly for my whole career without becoming disabled. I already have had the problems of basic RSI so it is something I'm quite aware of. You should get yourself aware of it, given that your use sounds pretty intense, and deal with it BEFORE it is a problem. Or, you can try and be a tough guy, and then end up at 40 or 50 crying because you can't work, have difficulty lifting a cup to your mouth, etc (it really can get that bad) because you thought you knew the One True Way(tm) to be a typist.

If you write for a living, as I do, you need a decent keyboard, and by that, I do not mean an 'ergonomic' one. If your wrists are that bad, I'm sorry for you, but you'll never be a really effective typist. With squish comes missed keys, double presses, constant backing up for errors and overall low typing speeds. I've seen a few surveys that indicate that most writers use standard keyboards; just because you weren't able to transition from the old mechanical style well enough to type effectively doesn't mean that most people have that problem. It's all a matter of what the individual is used to: I can only type a fraction as quickly or accurately on my old mechanical keyboards (Apple IIgs ADB & IBM Model M) as I do on the newer technology despite having spent the second half of my teens on those older keyboards. I have a hell of a time finding Model M keyboards.

The dump is not an option, one something hits their dumpsters they are not legally allowed to let anyone have it back, or even touch it. Liability stuff. Electronic waste is a bit better, but since I've started speaking with them, they haven't shown up. Computer junk shops don't exist in my area anymore, they've either folded, or got rid of the old and focused on new systems and repair. On ebay they regularly end up going for $50-$100 and shipping for me bu. Thrift stores are the cheapest bet (think out-of-the-way Mom and Pop Christian Ministry type thrift stores, not Goodwill).

Stopped by one recently and asked if they had any old keyboards in the back. The employee pointed me outside to a shed behind the building. There was literally a pile of old IBM Model Ms laying behind the place, had been hit by rain several times. Took a garbage sack of them home, let them dry out and everything was fine (there was even an old IBM model 5150, but my wife wasn't about to let me add that to the PC graveyard in the office). The annoying bit is that so many of them are AT instead of PS/2 (good luck even finding PS/2 ports on modern hardware, now it is just 4 USB ports in the back).

The innards are identical (ok, except for the mcu since I guess they had to swap that out to get usb support). It's just less heavy because they reduced the size of the case and removed some excess material. The only dodgy unicomp thing is the one with the built in pointing stick. It's a first or second gen trackpoint, or a clone, and really not very useful. And the mouse buttons are simple contact foil things, so they wear out after 2-3 years and you can't replace them without taking the keyboard completely.

I bought one of those Unicomp keyboards and I was very disappointed with the build quality. It looks like they just made a cheap plastic housing for the keyboard but there was none of the heft of an original IBM model M. I have a Unicomp SpaceSaver 104 and a Customizer 104. I would not buy the Customizer again; it has all of the bulk of the classic Model M without the same build quality. On the other hand, I love the SpaceSaver - while it's likely not as effective for self-defense as the classic Model M is, I love typing on this as much as my 30yr old IBM keyboard (which still works great!), and it uses less desk space, and is natively USB. It also doesn't feel as flimsy as the Customizer does, probably simply due to t. If you RTFA, it does mention the Unicomps and give a reason for preferring the CM Storm Trigger.

To wit: 'Because, let's be honest: the Model M is not a pretty keyboard, and its Unicomp successors also won't be winning any beauty pageants. None of those keyboards have the same array of gamer-friendly features, like macro keys, as Cooler Master's offering, either.'

I have a recent Model M here (in the black, Mac-optimized version) and I like it a lot. I'm no die-hard gamer, don't need macros, and I don't ent. The best-seeming Bluetooth mechanical keyboard I've found is the kbtalkingusa.com.

There are a few caveats: 1. At least when they first came out, they only had red switches, which I dislike. At the moment, you can choose blue, brown, and red, though; not sure if that is permanent. I haven't been able to confirm rollover. I read that a different Bluetooth keyboard only had 2KRO (which I believe matches the Model M, incidentally); I'm not sure if that's a limitation of going wireless or if it was just a.

Or hell if you want a classic Model M just go to your local mom & pop PC shop, we usually have a couple stashed and are pretty reasonable about the prices, especially if you BS with us a little while because we love having someone that can talk shop. I got a couple guys that work maintenance in all the local government and small office buildings and they are under strict orders to make sure any 'clicky clack' keyboards end up coming my way. Both myself and my boys are all using classic clicky clacks, th.

I don't understand the attraction of those old IBMish keyboards. You wore out your fingers with all the pressure they take to type on, and you feel self conscious typing on them because they're so noisy. What really is the attraction? Well, they were built like tanks which is good. And the keyboard typing doesn't have a 'mushy' feel to it, which is also good. But beyond that I agree with you. They are too noisy and heavy for my taste.

I guess they appeal to the guy who drives around an old 1970s small block c. If you think etymology always determines meaning then you understand so little about linguistics that you probably shouldn't be expressing an opinion.

If you're bringing etymology into a discussion of measurements, you're doing something seriously wrong. Invoking etymology in case of simple synthetic names of measurement units is a little bit overblown. They don't usually undergo form changes or meaning shifts, ditto for the possible application of comparative method across related languages. (FYI, I've been studying comparative Indo-European linguistics since.

Logitech G19? As far as membrane keyboards go, that's one of the worst I've tried, on par with sub-20 buck bargain bin crap.

There're plenty of mechanical keyboards with modern features (the extra screen that I think the G19 has is a gimmick, and software support never got far). The price is higher because Cherry MX switches are inevitably more expensive because they're more complex than a simple scissor switch and membrane, plus the premium that can be charged for a better keyboard. Besides, using Cherry MX. It's beyond me why you'd buy a keyboard just to changes the switches later, especially since with a mechanical keyboard as far as marketing goes, you're paying for more expensive switches. If you're comparing a g19 to a $20 keyboard, you obviously aren't fast enough to encounter ghosting, so my needs for a keyboard are more advanced than yours. The g19's screen is mainly for gaming, or a glorified cpu monitor, or clock. Outside of the look and feel, I've always understood mechanical keyboards to b.

As the user of a Das Keyboard, which is similar to a Model M, but not identical: 1. The keys, in my experience, take less objective force to actuate, since they don't have extra resistance at 'resting' position. Force is linear until the spring buckles, unlike most membrane keyboards, which require high force at the initial press before slamming to the depressed state. This leads to. You don't need to bottom out on a mechanical keyboard. Once the spring buckles, the key is actuated.

Typing properly reduc. See, you're the kind of person that allows this kind of market to thrive. I'll refrain from expressing what I think of you. I've had good and bad experiences with keyboards all across the price spectrum, and I can tell you there's no consistency, it's a matter of taste. It might even be a matter of hand size. I'm typing this on a keytronic that isn't fit to grace my trashcan (it's not mine obviously), it's just a little $5 keyboard, I've also typed on a little $5 HP keyboard at a previous job and absolute.

MX Greens have been used with MX Blue switches for a while. Usually the only green switch on the keyboard is the spacebar, it's meant to be a stronger (heavier, requiring more actuation force) version of the blue for that purpose. The use of MX Greens for an entire keyboard is new though. As others indicated, you can buy a Unicomp if you want a 'real Model M' anyways. The click is not as tactile and the feel from the tactility is different between buckling springs and MX switches (a click leaf is differ. Marketing on Slashdot again, huh.sigh.

The deskthority.net does not feel like a buckling spring from the Model F or Model M keyboards, really. While it is a stiff clicky switch, it is far less tactile, and the tactile point is different. The deskthority.net on a IBM Model M or Model F has a slow progression in resistance followed by a sharp drop at the actuation point at around 2/3 - 3/4 way down the stroke.

The Cherry MX Blue and Green have a small bump at the actuation point, which is higher up, at about 1/2-way down the stroke. As other posters have already written, the MX Green is just like a deskthority.net with a stiffer spring. It was made to be used for the Space Bar on a keyboard that is otherwise populated with MX Blue. Compared to the Blue, with the Green's stiffer spring you tend to press harder on it and that diminishes the feel of the tactile bump somewhat. The Green has always been used as the space bar switch on Cherry's own keyboards with Blue switches. The only new thing is that it is used on a whole keyboard. Having a stiffer switch on the space bar is common.

Ordinary rubber dome keyboards often come with coiled springs under the space bar to make it stiffer. If you want a Buckling Spring keyboard, you could buy a new Model M from pckeyboard.com. They are built using the same machines and tooling that the old IBM keyboards were.

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They even cost less than many gaming keyboards with Cherry MX switches. This post was typed on a Dolch keyboard (Cherry G80-1813HFX) with Cherry MX Blue switches, except for the Green switch on the space bar. It's the main reason even on my Macs I use Microsoft or Logitech keyboards. Mac keyboards are like typing on a desktop. They actually keep getting worse over the years.

I love the old feel of an IBM keyboard and miss the rock solid metal feel. I wear out a keyboard in about three months these days while the old IBMs would last years if not decades. I do agree with the I'll believe it when I feel it crowd but it does sound promising.

For text typing there's nothing that beats a good ole stiff keyboard. My biggest complain over feel is the the cheapie printed keys. After three months the 'A' is completely gone and several others are fading. After six months a third of the keys are hard to read. My touch typing skills are basic and they don't apply when you are doing graphics since I don't hold my hands in a typing position.

A couple of mentions of the Model F already but I think it's worth a dedicated post! My understanding is that the Model M (a keyboard before whose build quality, longevity and tactility modern keyboards quake in fear) originated as the cheaper, mass-market version of the older Model F keyboard.

I have both a Model M and a Model F; I do find the key feel of the latter to be even nicer. It's also even louder and heavier - and I don't have one of the really big 122 key terminal variants. The Model M does act. I have a customized Unicomp myself. Worth every penny and it is not made cheaply in China.

It makes noise but so did the model M. I can't see this thing wearing out, but those cherry switches look like they would go before my springs. (I've heard claims of millions of clicks before. I've got two worn out mice to prove the numbers are not high enough.) Also, the springs in mine look like normal springs you could buy online somewhere (naturally, I took it apart upon getting it!) It'll be easy for the next. You might get a good keyboard, but you're very likely to get something that doesn't work properly. Last week, I got a coupon for a newegg.com It was a very good price, but then I looked at the reviews.

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Concentrating on the negative reviews, I saw mention of keyboards with one or two broken keys, and keyboards with delicate USB connectors that break, and keyboards that stop working entirely after one year, after one month, after one week. Sometimes the customer would RMA keyboards several times before getting a keyboard that worked reliably. This is not what I imagine when I read claims of '50 million life cycle.'